Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/07/2006 11:00 AM Senate COMMITTEE ON UNIVERSITY OVERSIGHT


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11:06:22 AM Overview - University of Alaska
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Overview - University of Alaska
President Mark Hamilton
Wendy Redman
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
        SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON UNIVERSITY OVERSIGHT                                                                      
                        February 7, 2006                                                                                        
                           11:05 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Stevens, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Ralph Seekins, Vice-Chair                                                                                               
Senator Con Bunde                                                                                                               
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview - University of Alaska                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mark R. Hamilton, President                                                                                                     
University of Alaska System                                                                                                     
P.O. Box 755000                                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, AK 99775                                                                                                             
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Wendy Redman                                                                                                                    
University of Alaska                                                                                                            
P.O. Box 755000                                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, AK 99775                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information on the University of                                                                
Alaska Overview                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIR  GARY  STEVENS  called  the  Senate  Special  Committee  on                                                             
University  Oversight meeting  to order  at 11:05:47  AM. Present                                                             
were Senators Con  Bunde, Kim Elton, Lyman  Hoffman, Ben Stevens,                                                               
Thomas  Wagoner,  and  Chair   Gary  Stevens.  Other  legislators                                                               
present  were  Senator  Gary   Wilken  and  Representative  Berta                                                               
Gardner.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                 ^Overview - University of Alaska                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS  announced that this was the  first meeting of                                                               
the  Special  Committee  on   University  Oversight.  He  invited                                                               
President Hamilton to come forward and  speak on the state of the                                                               
University of Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:06:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARK  HAMILTON,  President,  University of  Alaska  System  (UA),                                                               
opened his remarks  saying that he was looking  for guidance from                                                               
the  committee  and that  legislative  scrutiny  is welcomed  and                                                               
warranted because  UA constitutes  a significant  expenditure for                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  briefly reviewed  information  included  in members'  packets                                                               
including: The  Commonwealth North report; the  legislative audit                                                               
for FY07;  Missions and  Measures set  forth in  HB 250;  and the                                                               
draft report from the McDowell Group.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:18:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY  STEVENS advised that the  Legislature is tremendously                                                               
supportive of the university and  that the committee objective is                                                               
to honestly  review areas  of achievement as  well as  areas that                                                               
require further attention.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He informed President  Hamilton of his request  that the National                                                               
Council on State Legislatures compare  UA with other universities                                                               
throughout the nation,  which could result in some  work with the                                                               
National Report Card  on Higher Education issued  by the National                                                               
Center on Public  Policy and Higher Education.  In particular, he                                                               
said  he  is  interested   in  discussing  affordability,  degree                                                               
completion  statistics, how  the university  benefits the  state,                                                               
and the expansion of the Scholars Program.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:19:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CON BUNDE  asked him to comment on  recent articles about                                                               
"dumbing down" a university degree.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAMILTON responded  he evaluates how the  university is doing                                                               
by  comparing   UA  student   scores  on   national  standardized                                                               
accreditation   tests  against   national  averages.   Twenty-one                                                               
nationally comparable  tests are administered at  UA and students                                                               
exceed  the  national  average  on  18  of  the  tests.  UA  also                                                               
administers tests for 39 certifications  that don't have national                                                               
comparisons.  On  those certifications  UA  students  have a  100                                                               
percent  pass   rate  on  24.   External  indications,   such  as                                                               
acceptance  to graduate  school, show  that University  of Alaska                                                               
students are competing very well.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE raised  several personnel issues and  said he would                                                               
like more information in some other venue.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PRESIDENT HAMILTON agreed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS mentioned the appeal process.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THOMAS WAGONER  asked if more students  are attending the                                                               
university now because it costs so much more to go elsewhere.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESIDENT HAMILTON replied  he'd be guessing if he  were to state                                                               
the cause  and effect, but  he would generally suggest  that more                                                               
people believe in the worth of going to college.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
In 1950  20 percent of the  jobs in America required  a four-year                                                               
degree and in  2006 that number increased to just  23 percent. He                                                               
interpreted  that  to  mean  that a  tremendous  number  of  jobs                                                               
require some sort of postsecondary  education but not necessarily                                                               
a  four-year degree.  He emphasized  that the  university is  the                                                               
place to get that postsecondary education.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE asked  how many students take  remedial classes and                                                               
what that costs.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESIDENT  HAMILTON  replied the  national  average  is about  40                                                               
percent and  the University  of Alaska falls  in that  range. The                                                               
difference  is  that  while  the   national  average  involves  a                                                               
semester  or  two  in  a  single  course,  University  of  Alaska                                                               
students often require several years of remediation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He suggested  that college  level remediation  oftentimes returns                                                               
unacceptable results but  the GED program, which  he described as                                                               
a  mischaracterized  remediation  program, is  quite  successful.                                                               
That test is much more exacting  than the current state exit exam                                                               
yet  the students  taking it  succeed remarkably  well. This  has                                                               
been  ascribed to  a  number  of reasons,  but  what hasn't  been                                                               
considered  is that  particular  remediation is  more similar  to                                                               
high school classes than the typical university pedagogy.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He proposed  that the university explore  an "academic red-shirt"                                                               
program. "Red-shirting" athletes allows  them to grow into strong                                                               
and  mature  athletes and  remediation  should  provide the  same                                                               
academic  result.  He emphasized  that  this  is  a job  for  the                                                               
university  and  if it  hasn't  been  particularly successful  to                                                               
date, then it's time to change the approach.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE  remarked that would indicate  more teachers rather                                                               
than more researchers, which he  would support. Furthermore, he'd                                                               
like to  see if the Alaska  Scholars Program couldn't be  of some                                                               
help.  Allowing that  he isn't  a  fan of  the traditional  "red-                                                               
shirt," he  asked how academic  scholarships compare  to athletic                                                               
scholarships.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESIDENT HAMILTON  explained that  as a  Division II  school, UA                                                               
athletic scholarships are dwarfed by academic scholarships.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He described  the Scholars Program as  extraordinarily successful                                                               
in getting  Alaska youth  interested in  going to  college. Since                                                               
inception, the  number of high  school seniors who go  to college                                                               
has increased  from 40  to 50  percent. Knowing  that the  top 10                                                               
percent from each high school are  going to college has served as                                                               
a real catalyst for students.  Indications are that 98 percent of                                                               
those graduates still  live in Alaska, which  demonstrates a very                                                               
powerful and successful program.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The proposed increase in the Scholars Program and the needs-                                                                    
based  scholarship  are very  timely  and  the  right way  to  go                                                               
because  it  will  provide   increased  access  to  postsecondary                                                               
education/workforce  development. He  reemphasized  that that  is                                                               
where the  bulk of  the university  growth has  been in  the last                                                               
several years.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:43:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE   remarked  this  will  require   that  university                                                               
professors teach more than one or two classes a week.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY STEVENS  stated that the committee  would look forward                                                               
to further  discussions of  how the  university will  prepare for                                                               
and relate to the gas line.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:45:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LYMAN HOFFMAN  observed  that rural  campuses are  never                                                               
mentioned in any university reports.  He asked President Hamilton                                                               
to comment  on their role in  the university system, how  he sees                                                               
them growing and whether or not  they may figure into any capital                                                               
budget requests.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESIDENT  HAMILTON responded  they are  tracked as  an important                                                               
component of  the institution. The 12  community campuses receive                                                               
about   11  percent   of   the   state  appropriations,   produce                                                               
approximately 25 percent  of the student credit  hours, and serve                                                               
28 percent of the student body.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He  mentioned  the new  facilities  in  Kotzebue, Bethel,  Homer,                                                               
Kenai,  and Mat-Su  then explained  that a  tremendous amount  of                                                               
money was spent  to increase the capacity  for distance delivery.                                                               
That made  it possible  to export nursing  and other  health care                                                               
programs to the rural campuses.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Community  campuses are  observed  constantly and  administrative                                                               
reports  are  submitted  on  a  bi-annual  basis.  Those  reports                                                               
indicate that a great deal has been accomplished.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:49:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER asked which faculty  members would teach remedial                                                               
classes and how much it would cost.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PRESIDENT HAMILTON admitted it is  a significant amount of money,                                                               
but asserted  that it's a  worthwhile expenditure.  Exact figures                                                               
would be made  available. He clarified that  students are already                                                               
in  remediation  courses; he  would  simply  like to  change  the                                                               
delivery style.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WAGONER said  he brought  the  topic up  because at  the                                                               
community college level part-time  faculty used to teach remedial                                                               
courses because full-time teachers weren't interested.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:52:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WENDY  REDMAN, Vice-President,  University  of Alaska,  explained                                                               
that  ABE  programs  [work retention  skills  training]  are  the                                                               
primary source  for developmental  education, but they  have been                                                               
chronically under-funded. What that means,  she said, is that the                                                               
students  who can't  get  into  the ABE  program  end  up on  our                                                               
doorstep. Developmental education is  handled differently at each                                                               
campus, but the greatest success  comes when partnered with adult                                                               
basic education  programs. Those  community programs take  a load                                                               
off the university  and are more successful  because the pedagogy                                                               
is different.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIM  ELTON stated that  he would like  future discussions                                                               
to include the following:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   ¾The web of contacts the university might have with                                                                         
     different communities.                                                                                                     
        ¾Decision making process: Webs to the business and                                                                     
          labor community                                                                                                       
        ¾Preparation: Contacts with K-12 community or DOE                                                                      
   ¾What role does research play in attracting good faculty                                                                    
   ¾How does the university research effort support the academic                                                               
     effort                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PRESIDENT HAMILTON agreed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR RALPH  SEEKINS observed that  the university is  not only                                                               
an  outstanding  educational  institution   it  is  also  a  huge                                                               
economic  engine  to  the  state. He  suggested  that  those  two                                                               
features dovetail very well.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  related  a  story  about  unsuccessful  transfer  of  credits                                                               
between UAA  and UAF  and asked President  Hamilton how  he might                                                               
address the issue.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He mentioned  that in his business  no one is required  to have a                                                               
four-year degree, but  he does prefer that his  employees have an                                                               
associate degree.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:00:08 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESIDENT HAMILTON responded he couldn't  wait to supply the data                                                               
on credit  portability because  it's an  absolute edict  that all                                                               
courses  are transferable  across the  university. When  he first                                                               
came to  the university he looked  into this issue and  in 19 out                                                               
of 20 cases he found that  the individual was pursuing a slightly                                                               
different degree. The difference  is between receiving credit for                                                               
having  taken the  course and  having the  credit count  toward a                                                               
degree.  If someone  says transferring  within  the system  would                                                               
cause them  to take an  additional year  to pursue a  degree then                                                               
perhaps all the data isn't known.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Credit portability is  precisely the kind of  thing the committee                                                               
should  be  involved in  because  it  relates to  efficiency  and                                                               
service   to  Alaska   citizens,  he   emphasized.  In   a  state                                                               
university, credits absolutely have to be transferable.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:03:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GARY  STEVENS thanked President  Hamilton for  his comments                                                               
and reiterated  that he would  arrange a meeting with  staff from                                                               
the National  Council of State  Legislatures to  discuss national                                                               
trends  and the  "report card  process." He  then summarized  the                                                               
issues that were brought up  related to vocational education, the                                                               
Scholars  Program,  research,  economic development  and  how  it                                                               
impacts   communities,   affordability,  completion   of   degree                                                               
programs and the various benefits to the state.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Gary Stevens adjourned the meeting at 12:05:17 PM.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

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